Dangerous Dave's Tour Dates

[bigsteve]

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He should get some good crowds in those places :mrgreen:

[Quadrant]

Where the hell is Letterkenny? I'm sure he's made some of those place names up.

[Max Kane]

It amazes me that, even with the R1 backing, that Dangerous still plays so many gigs. I know that he appeals to, a shall we say, 'different' clubbing (if it can be called that) crowd but surely people that listen to him play must realise he is dodgy.

I duno why they don't simply listen to more tasteful DJs & Shows.

[Tremor]

Yeah but look at the venues. All Liquid or Oceana pretty much. Type of clubs that attract the same people each week and would usually play a load of tripe... I expect it will be no trainers, no atmosphere, plenty of beer boys and tarts. I dont think these crowds will be too bothered about Dave's abilities as a DJ, probably better than the usual residents tho.

[bigsteve]

Yeah but look at the venues. All Liquid or Oceana pretty much.

My point exactly!

[Moonman]

It amazes me that, even with the R1 backing, that Dangerous still plays so many gigs. I know that he appeals to, a shall we say, 'different' clubbing (if it can be called that) crowd but surely people that listen to him play must realise he is dodgy.

I duno why they don't simply listen to more tasteful DJs & Shows.

oh my gosh. Embarassingly i went to Liquid in Peterborough last week. It was a friends birthday (his definition of Dance is FLoorfillers type stuff) and it was one of the worst night s out i've ver had. Firstly, i got round my mates wearing trainers, to which most of mates were like "ere stu, you wont get in anywhere wearing trainers"...to which i replied "so i have to pay to get in AND be told what to wear!?!"...The evening was all good doing all the bars, up untill Liquid. The DJ didnt have a clue and there is nothing sexy ladies, about having a blue tongue due to inhumane consumption of WKD Blueberry. I hate to tar everyone with the same brush, but these places are a conveen for single mothers nationwide looking for their next pump or someone to father their football teams worth of children (innnnnit). I have to say, i felt out of my depth in Liquid with all the maneaters...never again...oh that was before i poked my head in to witness Envy playing the very best in urban....

Still the type of people these clubs attract will lap up Dangerous Dave's sound

did i say i DJ'd at Liquid a few years back? Did it once and will never do it again...

Edited April 6, 2007 by stuart business

[Briggsy]

To be fair though, Dave doesn't try to be something he's not. He knows he's not technically the best DJ, he knows he's not respected by the "serious" clubber, and he knows that he gets the vast majority of his gigs through building a name as a radio DJ. He's never claimed to be a big DJ - because he knows he's not.

He has worked bloody hard to get to where he is though, he has bags of enthusiasm, loves his job, doesn't take himself too seriously - and loves his audience. He will mingle with the crowd and talk freely with them - and thats what I admire most. He respects people - just like Jules.

That alone makes me respect him more than the big-ego'd, over-rated, overpaid has-beens such as Tiesto. Dave Pearce has an element of entertainment factor about him - and as punters, we're there to be entertained.

Adam Sheridan was at Godskitchen last week, and he was the most miserable, ungrateful DJ i've ever seen after Seb Fontaine. It clearly broke his heart to acknowledge his fans and show some enthusiasm - and behind the decks, he wasn't in the slightest bit entertaining. Its us, the punters, that are paying their ludicrously high DJ fee's, so they should at least show some gratitude.

Thats why i'd rather see Dave over the likes of DJ's like that.

[Briggsy]

(his definition of Dance is FLoorfillers type stuff)

But thats what Dave is all about! He's made his name through "Dance Anthems" on Radio 1 - which is floorfillers type stuff. Thats what 9 out of 10 people go to see him for. If I went to see Dave Pearce, i'd be expecting to hear tunes like System F - Out Of The Blue and Faithless - Insomnia - I wouldn't expect him to be breaking the latest tracks by Gabriel & Dresden, Andy Moor and Christopher Lawrence. He can play a serious set when he wants to though - which is what many people heard at Coloursfest and Escape Into The Park last year - and many people said he was good. In fact, if I recall, Everyone said that Dave Pearce had a good year last year - and I also remember one or two people on this board saying he was good at Coloursfest.

he wouldn't play Floorfillers stuff at a respectable trance festival such as Global Gathering.

Edited April 6, 2007 by Briggsy

[Moonman]

I never once knocked Dave Pearce. I agree with what you say, and to be fair, given the freedom he does play some pretty tough trance. I'd give my left arm to be on R1 making a living from DJing so you have to give him that. It's just these Luminar places i have issues with. They are big part of the Binge Drinking problem we have in the UK and reason of the high hospital admittance rates on saturday niights - I should know, i work with the police....

I have never met Adam Sheridan, but i heard him on Eddie Halliwells show last week, and he came across as arrogant. I hear Eddie Halliwell is up his own arse too, but i reserve judgement until i meet him.

[bigsteve]

I'm with you Stuart. These places are really really bad to be in. There is so much attitude in them and its hard to enjoy them. I always feel like I'm watching over my back for a knife to appear.

I was one of the ones that applauded Dave after Coloursfest last year, but when I saw his tour dates, I was shocked at the venues he plays in. I admit he won't get big gigs, but I'm sure even Dave can get better gigs than these. Maybe play the odd carpet club, but they're all pretty much the same on that list, and probably all have the same parent company.

[Briggsy]

I had that impression of Eddie Halliwell to - but I had my photo with him at Godskitchen last week after his set because he hung around for about an hour afterwards. He had photo's with about 40 people, shook hands with them and spoke to them too - he's actually a very decent bloke.

I've also heard people say the same about Jules - and Jules definately isn't like that. I heard someone call Jules a w***er last year at Godskitchen because Jules walked straight out through people without having his photo, etc - but what people forget is that they often have a gig straight afterwards and have to leave immediately. If they stop for one person, then they all expect it - so its easier to walk out. Thats whats happened with Eddie too because he did it last year and I thought he was arrogant then.

People have to remember sometimes, if they're on early in the night, chances are, they've got another gig afterwards - so they're not being rude - they're just rushing to their next "job".

I've actually heard that, outside his DJ'ing "image", he's actually quite shy.

[Briggsy]

but when I saw his tour dates, I was shocked at the venues he plays in. I admit he won't get big gigs, but I'm sure even Dave can get better gigs than these. Maybe play the odd carpet club, but they're all pretty much the same on that list, and probably all have the same parent company.

The thing is though, DJ'ing is Dave's main job now that he's not a Radio 1 regular. He never used to do that many gigs so close together. These chain clubs probably offer Dave a lower fee than he'd get elsewhere - but they're offering him, say, 10 gigs in a month. If he gets £1000 for each of them, thats £10,000 he's just earnt. Tiesto can earn that in one night. If the money is there, he's gonna take it - we all would. DJ'ing is a short career - they won't be doing that until they're 65 like we will be at our jobs - so they've gotta take it while its there. If they're lucky, they probably have 10-12 years at their "peak" where they can get so many gigs - before and after that, they're either building a name for themselves, or winding down their careers. Danny Rampling was a good example - as soon as he lost his Radio 1 show, that was basically the downfall of his career.

[Moonman]

I duno why they don't simply listen to more tasteful DJs & Shows.

I feel i have to disagree with this. Dance is a broad church my man. Okay so Dave's not exactly subtle, upfront or seamless when it comes to the mixing...but there is a market for him. Okay, it's in the aforementioned luminars - which i dislike, but these are usually the clubbers of tomorrow (after having their first taste of clubbing in Luminars they'll possibly try other more credible places) and who knows, the next big name may well be a young 18 year old upstart experiencing clubbing for the first time listening to Dave. It's a way in.

Edited April 6, 2007 by stuart business

[Briggsy]

I think even the serious clubber can like him too. I love my Trance and "serious" tunes - but Dabe is nice to listen to for something different. Sometimes I get tired of the A-listers all caning the same tunes over and over again for months - like Global Gathering last year when four sets all after each other contained "Through Your Eyes" by Guiseppe Ottaviani. Repetititon is annoying.

At least Dave breaks that monotony.

I agree entirely about Dave introducing people to dance music too. We've all found our way in through tkaing a shine to someone or by listening to a particular DJ. I found my way in through listening to Ferry Corsten - but then I found that I preferred the harder side of Trance - so I moved on to Jules - and more recently, Eddie and Marcel Woods too.

[JasonB]

Gotta say the advice eddie amd adam gave on warm up sets last week didnt really help much, with adam sayinge he lieks to play tech for warmup, which is fair dos but thats stilla broad genre without giving away any type of tracks he lieks to play really. They just agreed with what few people had said on the message board which doesnt help0 if even someon like me hasnt heard of these tracks!

Maybe neither have actually done proper armup so cant advise? fair do's and going off topic but stilll lol...

[Max Kane]

I'm not personally slating Dave, obviously he won't turn down easy money or a gig where he feels there is a platform for him to play. Fair enough.

I'm not a fan purely as i don't see the appeal, I'd rather see a DJ playing records that form some kind of flow & are mixed properly, in saying that I'm not one for the over-doing of 'classics', Pearce seems to play a large majority of his sets with a lot of classics in. Fair enough for people that want that, but personally I think that an older 'anthem' has so much more effect when it's thrown into a set that has some contemporary unknown records in aswell.

Classics nights & DJs like Pearce that (for want of a better phrase) 'Anthem bash' do nothing for me, I'd rather hear someone spin some unknown records for an hour building things up nicely then dropping a massive track, the effect (for me at least) is so much better that way.

Each to their own & i'd never slate anyone for liking anything (within reason) but it's not my cup of tea as I'm sure the music i play isn't to everyone's taste

[Briggsy]

Yeah thats fair enough. There are two sides to Dave though - but most people just remember the one. The majority of his gigs are booked for his "Dance Anthems" reputation - so he sticks to playing anthems. When he's booked to do a "serious" set though, he can play some great unknown tunes.

One thing I like about Dave is that he's disovered a lot of small unknown labels and artists over the years - Dave was the first DJ to support Silverblue - and since then, they've gone on to be supported by bigger DJ's. He also helped Agnelli & Nelson get to where they are today. In some ways, he's helped bring artists through by heavily supporting them - just as Jules has done with artists such as Michael Woods and Fabio Stein. Because Dave is "unfashionable" though, nobody notices the little things he does now and again. If It was PvD, Armin or Jules bringing those artists through, they'd get loads of praise for it. The DJ industry has always been fickle though.

[Tremor]

Yeah I've felt alot of tunes that were brought through by Jules on his old friday and saturday shows were also backed up by Dave Pearce and this helped them to reach an even bigger audience. Tunes like ATB - 9pm til i come were supported by Julesy but his listeners were still a bit more specialist fans of Trance lets say and some of these may have found that track a bit cheesy anyway. Dave supporting this as well would have pushed the tune out to the Dance Anthems listeners who were more after the floor fillers and slightly cheesier stuff, leading to a number 1 hit in this case. Similar things could be said of DJ Jean - The Launch, Yomanda - Synth & Strings, and Progress - Everybody to name but a few.

I also agree that Dave can play good sets with more underground tunes. I saw him in Ibiza in 2003 and his set was top notch... and really well mixed.

[Briggsy]

Yeah, what defines a "cheesy" tune anyway? I wouldn't say ATB - 9pm was a cheesye tune. I'd say it was a commercial tune.

A cheesy tune to me is something corny, poorly/cheaply produced with cringeworthy vocal that hits the big time for the wrong reasons - artists such as DJ Sammy, Scooter, etc

Darude - Sandstorm, ATB - 9pm, etc - in my opinion, were just commercial.

I personally feel there's a big difference between something cheesy and commercial. I wouldn't be afraid to play something commercial in my sets, but I wouldn't touch DJ Sammy, etc with a bargepole.

I liked Sandstorm, and i'll still play the Signum remix of 9pm til I come now.

[Max Kane]

I think that there are very credible artists that have made cheesy tunes, Kyau vs Albert 'Walk Down' for me was a very cheesy tune, that vocal was pure cheese!

I don't discriminate between pidgeonholing things as chees, commercial etc really.

I think that DJ Sammy etc is just sh*t, tunes like those don't even come into my thinking when categorising dance music, that stuff is just pop

[Tremor]

Ok cheesy may not have been the right word. I think I did mean comercial really. But my point was that some of the tunes which started off getting support from Jules when they were less know were then pushed out to a bigger audience perhaps by Dave on Dance anthems (eg the launch/ ATB) helping those tracks to cross over to commercial successes. There is an element in these tracks however which makes them appeal to a DJ like Dave Pearce and which gives them that commercial characteristic. Perhaps its just that they are catchy and were therefore liked by people who dont normally have trance as their favourite style of music... perhaps cheesy is too strong a description for these tunes but I think you can see what I'm saying.

[Max Kane]

Definately see what you're saying mate & i think you've hit the nail on the head with the part of your statement about songs being catchy, Pearce's audience lust for cathy throw-away pop dance songs, they don't wana have to pay attention to a record for 10misn they just want a radio edit that they can have on in their car with some drunken scouse bird saying what a great night out she had in Oceana

[Briggsy]

I've listened to many Scousers, and never managed to work out a word of what they're saying. You've done well there lad, i'll give you that

[Neuro]

Pearce's audience [...] don't wana have to pay attention to a record for 10mins they just want a radio edit that they can have on in their car with some drunken scouse bird saying what a great night out she had in Oceana

I like this, nail on head :mrgreen:

I enjoyed reading all of this thread.

[thirddrive]

I like this, nail on head

I enjoyed reading all of this thread.

Same!

My view on Dave is that he has a commercial radio show, but check out the tracklisting every now and again - he plays some great trance that often goes unmissed, and does support tunes that Jules has first championed.

I used to listen to his sunday night mixes as much as Jules on a friday or Saturday - great tunes, (albeit pitched up!), but he used to get tracks from great german or swiss labels like Honeypot, introduced me to decent tracks I would not have heard otherwise (and not just the Alphazone mix of Kira - I'll be Your Angel lol).

I just love the energy in one mix he did from The Gift - 'Love Angel' (M.i.k.e. Mix) to Clockz - 'Clocks' when it was still on uber rare white label. Not a beat out too!