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'Hip Hop Wrong For Glastonbury'

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Interesting thoughts from Noel Gallagher today regarding Jay-Z headlining Glastonbury. It's a damn fine rant & I do find myself agreeing with him on certain points. There again I think it's a brave booking by Eavis & is certainly bold & worthy of praise.

Commercially I don't think it's too astute though, hip-hop fans in general don't really subscribe to the whole festival vibe & certainly if you're a Jay-Z fan there isn't a great deal of likelihood that you're gona be into the Kings of Leon?

Noel's Thoughts

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i've said it once and i'll say it again. I hate hip-hop as it is today and everything it stands for. What does it stand for these days? I've got more money than you, i'm shagging all the "Hoes", throw in the odd gang reference and all this moody behaviour. It's no wonder that our kids of today have so little respect for anything and anyone when they hear stories of their "Idols" being crack dealers and thieves. So little Jonny assumes its okay to deal crack because people want it, or its okay to hold up a post office with a gun, be cause hey, 50 Cent did it! Hip Hop is a joke today, it has been for the last 10 years now. It's dead, with the exception of Timbaland who has been trying to push the envelope in hip hop, there's nothing new or exciting about it, it never seems to evolve.

I side with Noel on this one, i'm not a Glastonbury goer myself, but i know this event as a guitar music event. There are loads and loads of guitar bands around right now so why they have picked Jay-Z i dont know. It is as Noel says, wrong.

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i've said it once and i'll say it again. I hate hip-hop as it is today and everything it stands for. What does it stand for these days? I've got more money than you, i'm shagging all the "Hoes", throw in the odd gang reference and all this moody behaviour. It's no wonder that our kids of today have so little respect for anything and anyone when they hear stories of their "Idols" being crack dealers and thieves.

I know I'm one for sitting on the fence but I've jumped off it to say I completely agree with you here, even more so from a musical sense... to be expected really considering its such a different genre of music.

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a different genre it may be, but i liked the old 1988-1991 hip hop era. Tunes then had bounce and you could dance do them - albeit having a slower pace; remember this music was born out of block parties.

The thing with hip hop now is its all about money, it's too far gone now. It's disposable. There's no message anymore. House music is a feeling, well hip hop is a lifestyle - that's where it fundamentally fails. Take for example missy elliott. Her new music video cost $1,000,000 to make. The track isnt good at all and will get spun for a month tops. The video is taking priorty over the music for god sake. I sometimes think these rappers come up with a video first then work a tune around it.

It's interesting to see how the 2 genres are so different. You goto a house club (a proper one, not Oceana's or Liquid) and all people care about is dancing, i do! There is a vibe is a happy one. I had the misfortune to goto an Urban night recently and there was so much hostility i left after about 40 mins (one of my best mates is a hip hop head), the whole hip hop ethos to me is just wrong. It's all about image. Needless to say, i felt well out of place in my top man low v neck top and H&M jeans whislt everyone else was wearing stuff that must have cost a small fortune.

You say its a different genre of music, but i always thought hip hop was originally dance music too?

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Hip-Hop has never really spoken to me & a lot of others seeing as culturally it's pretty much alien to the majority of popular music buyers. I don't think that people neccessarily need to listen to hip-hop to identify with it, in much the same way that a lot of people don't identify with pop music.

Some people just like music as a solely esacpist medium or to just listen to something that is pleasing to their ears. As with all mainstream music image overcomes substance, it happens within any genre & hip-hop is no different, 50 Cent & alike are big because they sell records based on their media persona & image, not because their music has a message. They make money, simple as.

The best hip-hop imo is older stuff by the likes of The Pharcyde, it's witty, intelligent & has something to say. It also lacks the polished production of a super-producer that churns out the same old sequence of bleeps & tweaks on every song.

As with all music you need to look deeper to find the real gems, it's why we're all on here.

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I dont see what all the fuss is about surely Glastonbury is about all music types?

If hiphop is wrong for it then I assume any black music associated with it is? not playing theblack or racist card at all, I don't see why Noel piping up just to get some media attention should bother people.

Oh I forget it is Jay Z.....

Now if what I've read is true Eavis using Shawn to 'urban up' the festival or booking him fro wrong reasons then their may bewthe valid question of hip hop being wrong for the festival if theyre tryna promote specifically that style ofmusic more.

Lower ticket sales this year as JayZ' s turned people off?! I don't get this, there are loads of other groups/artists/acts all different styles of music at the festival take thejazz and world music stages,from the performances I've seen on bbc tv over the years some of these groups blow the roof (for me personally) off compared to the bigger acts.

Simply go for the big acts you like but also venture away from the norm occasionally a festivali or whatever will book people you dont like you dont have to stand and their and watch em go watch summat elkse!

So JayZ turns peopole away from the festival, nah, probably more like not enough big acts people want to see maybe., Why use JayZ as an example oh gets press etc....

Loadof old bollucks.

If I make any sense of genuine argumnet please tell me :lol:

Simply I think Hip Hop is right for Glasto aswell any other style of music.

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The thing with hip hop now is its all about money, it's too far gone now. It's disposable. There's no message anymore. House music is a feeling, well hip hop is a lifestyle - that's where it fundamentally fails. Take for example missy elliott. Her new music video cost $1,000,000 to make. The track isnt good at all and will get spun for a month tops. The video is taking priorty over the music for god sake. I sometimes think these rappers come up with a video first then work a tune around it.

Rubbish, theres tons of good hip hip around.

Thats like saying theres no decent trance around anymore besides DJ Sammy, Cascada and Ultrabeat.

Just have to dig that bit deeper, theres some cooooooool s*** around. Never know, you might even like it. As I mentioned in the good music thread, The Roots is a good place to start.

Some folk are still 'keepin it real'!

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Jay-Z's booking will affect tickets sales I think, Glastonbury isn't cheap & people may think 'I won't bother this year because next year there may be three headliners I like' if they are into guitar based music, as most Glastonbury attendees are

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Bollocks, it always sells out then theres even more demand.

Dunno if you've been before, but it turns out theres more to it than the Pyramid!

Takes f***ing ages to get from one side to the other. If it doesn't sell out I'll quit the board :D

An hour and a half of Jay-Z that you dont have to go and see isnt gonna ruin your weekend. Unless you're Noel Gallagher, he just likes winding up folk, as I do :D It appears to have worked!

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I agree with you mate, but ticket sales are down in terms of speed, usually they're sold out within minutes.

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Still dont see how thats got anything to do with Jay-Z playing. General progressive commercialisation of it might keep some people away, that would usually go, but it'll still sell out.

Agreed its gone downhill, but its still Glastonbury. Guaranteed good weekend, even if you have to have to take a rowing boat and some oars. And a floating tent.

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Well maybe it isn't directly related to Jaz-Z playing but it's a funny coincidence if it isnt, don't you think?

Personally if I do attend any festivals this year they'll be V &/or Reading

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I'd say its a combination of Jay-Z and people concered about the weather. Last summer was a washout from May-September.

Jay-Z will also attract a funny clientelle - and that'll concern the 'serious band-goers' that go to Glastonbury for live bands.

The same goes for Kanye West at Global Gathering. The concerns on forums are about the clientelle he'll atrract. Dance festivals have a nice friendly atmosphere, so when it starts attracting crowds of people that like music that is associatied with gangs and killing people, then you can understand their concerns.

I'm a bit baffled why Global have opted to go down that route. Financially and musically, it offers no benefit to the festival. I doubt it'll have a final impact on attendance figures, but its already starting to dent their reputation.

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Are you kidding, folk will go just to see Kanye West.

Its a sell-out, I agree, but the money grabbing bastards that run big festivals only think about £££ these days.

Why have 46 tents, and 31,385 acts anyways, as Ive said before, it only adds to the ticket price.

I'm aware that kinda contradictes my argument, but its a festival trend these days.

Flights are cheap as hell these days, go to Europe, there's tons and tons of better festivals, that dont need a big headliner for the hell of it. And they cost less, and the beer and fags cost less. And if it rains it'll dry up 20 mins later.

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Are you kidding, folk will go just to see Kanye West.

I can't see people paying £160 + travel + expenses just to see a 30 minute Kanye West performance though. Its not a Hip-Hop festival, so apart from Kanye West, nothing else is going to appeal to them. They're probably more likely to pay £70 to see a 2 hour gig at a concert instead.

All it does is waste a large amount on an act that nobody wants to see. They could have cut him out completely and cut ticket prices, or put on a dance act that people would like to see instead.

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as far as i'm concerned, Noel Gallagher is in the best rock n roll band of the last 20 years, if he says hip hop is wrong for festivals then thats fine by me.

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