bigsteve Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 After seeing Aza put Tillman Uhrmacher's 'On the Run' in his latest mix, it brought back memories of me using 2 copies of it to learn to beatmatch. In hindsight it wasn't perhaps the best tune to use, but I've come a long way since then... So what tune did everyone else use when they were starting out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 2 copies of Tomcraft - Loneliness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadrant Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 The Pet Shop Boys - It's Alright and One More Chance. In fact a lot of their early stuff. 1989 stylee baby! :wink: As an afterthought, why would you use 2 copies of the same track? Surely you couldn't hear which one to adjust? That's just my opinion though, I guess it's just something I never thought of. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aza Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I don't think I had two tunes exactly. I used to make recordings of my self and pick up where I went wrong. Some tunes I recall starting out with include; Picotto - Pulsar (the picotto verdi remix ) Svenson and Gielens remix of Lethal Industy Tilmann Uhrmacher (steve ) Frank Trax - Nebuchane Hi Gate - You & Me Steve Murano remix of VPL, which I would still play today All to name but a few and rightly so Ste - think we all come a long way since then! I remember the hours of frustration - I used to plug in about 2 hours a day back then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Kane Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Motorcycle ' As the Rush Comes' & Kyau vs Albert 'Velvet Morning' Not good choices but ahd spent all my money on the decks and needed some cheap vinyl, so raided those from HMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dormouse Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 First few tunes I remember mixing were Stardust 'Music Sounds Better...', Shaft 'Beats That Funk' (b-side to 'Sway') and Supercar 'Tonite', back in 1999ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakey Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I can't actually remember what tunes I used, I used to have a BBE double pack with Flash(?) on which I used to use. Never used two of the same tunes to beat match, just out of interest why did u use them? I think some of my earliest tunes were William Orbit - Adagio for Strings, Rank 1 - Airwave etc. 1999 era... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonB Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Fook knows! all the stuff I'd bought on vinyl in 98 and 99 up to the point I bought decks. Well two copies get thme in sync wack them out etc... get used to what to listen for n stuff I spose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Kane Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I used two different tunes, and if i'm honest two tunes that really don't go together well, i remember gettin my first spot on mix pulled off, it was superb. I think once it begins to click your half way there mixing wise, next its just developing the consistency that is hugely important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirddrive Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 First slab of plastic I bought was Alex De hasse mixes of Alex Gold's LA Today, and cheapy David Forbes - 'Questions'. Never learn to mix with David Forbes. Intro is a nightmare! I had about 10 singles when I finally got the decks tho, so had a selection to try out. I'd been beat matching with CDs in a basic Homemix jobby before, so the principles were there, just no torque from Numark Decks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadrant Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Not used a Numark, I'm guessing they drift quickly then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsteve Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 I bought the 'How to DJ (Properly)' book and in there it suggested that if you get hold of 2 copies of the same tune, ensure the red dots are stable on both turntables, so that you know they are playing at the correct speed. The hard part of getting the speeds matched is done for you, so you don't have to learn that bit at this stage, and you can concentrate on learning how to cue up. Once thats been mastered, its a lot easier to learn how to do it with 2 different tunes. That book was the best purchase I ever made and I still refer to it, now that I have got my cdj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadrant Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Ah yeah I've seen that book in the shops, Bill Brewster and his mate I think, excellent book. I understand now if you have the strobe lined up that it's easy to learn to mix, because clearly two copies of the same tune are (should!) be pressed that the same BPM. Whilst we're on BPM, what's the point of BPM counters on mixers, are they useful? I always avoid them (I'm buying a new mixer soon I think) but not sure really if they're that useful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsteve Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Ah yeah I've seen that book in the shops, Bill Brewster and his mate I think, excellent book. ...and Frank Broughton. Worth every penny :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 yeah i got that book a while ago - got it for free with sum vouchers i got from uni for payingm y tuition fees in one block - got if from the waterstones in uni, freeee!! oh quadders mate, bpm counters on mixers are s***, only decnet ones are on cdj's, but still only get you in the right sort of area, can;t mix solely using them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsteve Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Yep, can only use BPM counters as a guide at best. Its too easy to get caught up with them and then realise the tunes are nowhere near each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Kane Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 I was hardcore and stayed home for a solid week learning how to mix by teaching myself, didn't have any outside advice. Thinkin bout it i could probably have saved a bit of time by reading up on how to do it properly. Having never used a bpm counter i wouldn't know how useful they are but to be honest getting the beats correct is only half the job, finding the correct progression thru a set is what takes a bit of cracking and then of course nailing the correct transition points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonB Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Bought that book when it first came out good for refernce n stuff. BPM counters are god for starting a set at cartain speed I spose, once on cdj's aremore accurate I think even then just for cuing up firstly at a certain speed they only good for mainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Kane Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Have no idea what speed i play at having never used CDJs or a beat counter, probs quite fast considering i play Progressive stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aza Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Most of my mixes/sets vary from around 136bpm - 145bpm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakey Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Yeah I just taught myself by messing about really, I had a couple of mates get into it at the same time as me which was helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirddrive Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 If i'm doing a Cd, i like to start at about 136 with chilled stuff then build. By the time I finish the tempo's been increased to around 140! On my show it's deceptive to me how fast I sometimes play, pitch stuff up quite a bit sometimes. I guess average speed is 140-141. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dormouse Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 My show goes from 132 - 142. I'm very particular and fussy about never going below 132. I don't see the point in mixing two of the same tune. Other than for cueing... Mixer beat counters are awful, but CDJ ones are useful as a rough guide, then it's down to the hopefully-well-trained ear to make the fine adjustments...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonB Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Trance I stay around 136 even wakcing porg n breaks n that up to 136, house depends, usually around mid 120's 125ish as theres always fast paced house and slower stuff so playing mid 120's helps keep each type sounding good rather than hdieously slowed down or sped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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